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PostSubject: Your thoughts   Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:32 am

Before discovering "The Game", I used to joke with my friends that the only woman I'd do something stupid with like getting married would: be Tatted up (at least one sleeve and "tramp stamp") Have piercings (nose and tongue), drink and cuss like a sailor, be Asian, be jewish, and to top it all off be a virgin. Ok clearly the chances of me finding this woman are EXTREMELY unlikely(although not impossible) and the response I always got was "Hollywood, you'll find her when you find unicorns, leprechauns, and dragons."

Ok lets eliminate some of those ridiculous standards and narrow it down to:

Tats (sleeve and a "tramp stamp")
Piercings(nose and tongue)
Drinker
Foul Language

As PUAs what are your initial thoughts upon making those observations of an HB? I've heard everything from she's "down/easy" to "oh she's just downtoearth, likes body art/mod"

I've got my own theories(case by case for me, I need to see/know more before jumping to any conclusions) when I see any of those traits but I'm curious to hear some others.
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PostSubject: Re: Your thoughts   Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:56 am

Umm . . . you're curious to hear other theories . . . or other traits? LOL.

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PostSubject: Re: Your thoughts   Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:10 am

Eh, now that I re-read this sleep deprived thread I see it wasn't very clear lol.

Question: Do you handle an HB with these traits(NOT the very first traits I listed lol, that was a joke) any differently? Do you act on any assumptions that society may have en grained into your head as fact?

Ex) You walk into a bookstore. You see a girl. She's got stereotypical:Tramp stamp, tongue stud, and maybe even a sleeve.

I try to get out of my head the idea that "because she has ___ or ____ she's a probably a freak" that so many people automatically assume.
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PostSubject: Re: Your thoughts   Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:14 am

So you're asking if we stereo type a girl right off the bat and treat her assuming she IS that stereo type. Ok.

Personally, I'll either give a type of cold read, which is rare, or more likely I'll use the stuff to tease her. Possibly compliment her on an item or two.

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PostSubject: Re: Your thoughts   Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:07 pm

This is one of those rare moments im going to disagree with Tripp (to a degree). I think with many of these stereotypes the best thing to do is ignore it (not the girl but the traits). Some of them do it for attention, which if you comment on it your giving them what they want. Others do it to truly as an outlet of there feelings and identity, and will find practically anything you say as judgmental or try hard.

As with all things, i think you need to ascertain what type of a person she is, why she has the trait she has, and how receptive she will be to comments, negs, compliments, etc about it.

I think one way you can actually use it to your advantage is if you share that trait or a similar one (shes got a tat you have a tat).

This reminds me of a girl i opened on the train about 2 years ago. I never got a good look at her from the front, as i was sitting a few seats directly behind her. All i could tell from this viewpoint was she was bleach blond, thin (nice body), and seemed to have a sense of style along the lines of modest punk/rock which i dig.

In any case im trying to come up with an opener to use, when i notice her using her shinny silver cell phone as a mirror to touch up some makeup i assume. At this rate i have a neg in mind and simply use the first opener that comes to mind.

I get up, walk up next to her seat, and a little over my shoulder simply say "Hi... im going on a blind date and i need a girls perspective on it."

At this moment i realize something about her i didnt notice from behind her. Shes got alot of piercings and is using those contacts that make her eyes look like snake eyes, but with a bluish tint to them...however shes actually fairly attractive in my opinion just didnt expect this.

She actually blushes, says hi, and doesnt really seem to know what to say so i ask if shes ever been on a blind date before. She pipes up that she has and i then comment that this isnt my stop and sit down across the aisle from her. We talk briefly about blind dates...i guide the convo to more general stuff.

Shes dropping ec, playing with her hair, squaring up to me, and blushing a bunch...at one point she awkwardly tries giving a quick glance at the face of her phone as a mirror and brushes her face with a finger...i quickly inject my neg, something along the lines of "using your phone as a mirror...what kinda girl doesnt have a pocket mirror?" She smiles and validates saying her phone works like one so she doesnt bother carrying a mirror too.

We chit chat about some other unimportant stuff and at some point deep into our convo i mention i like her contacts, that they remind me of a girl i used to goto high school with, and how they always fascinated me. Then i asked how she could see out of them, like if it was like using a normal contact.

Basically i didnt compliment her, but her contacts, and then i pulled the convo in the direction of other people and my own thoughts...i also noticed she seemed a bit shy and maybe not used to guys opening her, so i didnt mention her abnormal traits untill way deep into things...and even then i could have done without it.

In anycase when i opened her i was like a month or 2 fresh into PUA and was just happy to open at all. Unfortunately i had to get off the train and i didnt think to number close (i was just so happy with myself at that point). I learned alot from that and it was really my first open.

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